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Date Published: October 22, 2004   

Leventis vs. Jones

State Senate candidates go head-to-head at Nettles

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Keith Gedamke / The Item
Incumbent State Sen. Phil Leventis, left, and GOP challenger Dickie Jones discuss issues during the League of Women Voters’ debate Thursday night at the University of South Carolina Sumter.

By LESLIE CANTU
Item Staff Writer
lesliec@theitem.com

The 150 or so on hand at the University of South Carolina Sumter's Nettles Building listened intently throughout the entire Senate District 35 debate Thursday night, but during the very last minute of exchanges, couldn't help but let a quiet chuckle escape.

Phil Leventis, a Democrat who has served in the Senate for 24 years, turned the accusations of Republican challenger Dickie Jones against him and asked where Jones had been for the last 24 years, saying he had asked Jones for help 15 years ago to close the hazardous waste landfill near Lake Marion, and Jones had said he thought those decisions should be made in Columbia.

"Not true," Jones mouthed to the crowd as he stepped out from behind his podium, shaking his head.

"It's absolutely true," Leventis interrupted himself to retort, marking the end to an hour of back-and-forth rhetoric over who did what, when they did it and what they'll do in the future.

Jones continued to pound his message, that Leventis has been in the Statehouse through five different governors, from both parties, yet failed to produce for Sumter and Lee. He painted Leventis as a legislator following the lead of interest groups instead of the needs of his hometown constituents.

Leventis accused Jones of producing simplistic answers to complex problems that require careful thought and compromise. He chided Jones for negative campaigning and distorting the record and said in all his time working in the community he has never bumped into Jones.

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At the end of the debate, Laurel Suggs, the president of the League of Women Voters of South Carolina and the moderator, invited voters to go to http://www.dnet.org/ for more information about state and federal level candidates.

During the debate, Leventis and Jones answered 12 questions, some submitted by audience members, and gave both opening and closing statements.

On the issue of making changes to ensure affordable childcare that prepares youths for school, Jones said that every $1 spent on early childhood education saves between $4 and $9 later on. There's an important place for childcare in institutions like churches, he said, which do more than simply impart "sterile academics."

The two agreed on the importance of funding early childhood education, Leventis said, with the difference being that the current Republican administration is actually cutting early childhood programs like First Steps and CHIPS, the Children's Health Insurance Program.

"Our leadership in Columbia doesn't want to fund the CHIPS program," Leventis said. "Healthy children learn. Unhealthy children don't learn."

Jones repeated that Leventis has served in Columbia through five administrations and asserted he has never introduced meaningful education legislation.

The two sharply differed on whether the state needs a mandatory seat belt law.

Leventis said he opposed the mandatory law, preferring to fully staff the state Highway Patrol. Underfunding the Highway Patrol and the highways are more of a problem than adding an extra law for those understaffed troopers to enforce, he said. He said he also advocated requiring driver education in high school.

A mandatory seat belt law would save 100 lives a year, Jones said, as well as 1,100 injuries and $149 million in costs, and would actually bring the state $11 million in federal funding.

"The Highway Patrol says we need to have it," Jones said. "We have one of the worst death rates in the United States on our highways."

Although money popped up in nearly every answer, neither candidate said he would sign a pledge promising not to raise taxes.

"I really typically do not sign a pledge," Jones said. He refuses to allow himself to become handcuffed before he even takes office, he said, but added that every tax dollar collected represents a little piece of the taxpayers' freedom being taken away.

"When people invest in their communities with the dollars not taken from them by government, the whole pie gets bigger," Jones said.

The economy became vibrant, he said, because the government didn't tax people when it had a deficit.

"If the focus is on Sumter and Lee county and you think Sumter's economy is vibrant, then you must be out of touch," Leventis said, turning around two of Jones' themes. "You can't discuss taxes without discussing services."

Jones struck back, latching onto a story Leventis told about a local employer he had helped.

"You can't take credit for saving 50 jobs, but at the same time say our economy isn't vibrant," Jones said.

The two didn't stop at attacking each other, though. Jones dragged Patty Wilson, the director of the Sumter Community Vision, into the debate, saying she hasn't had proactive leadership from Leventis and encouraged people to ask her about that after the debate.

Leventis agreed that people should ask Wilson her opinion, saying he's been involved with the Visioning process from the beginning and his company, Dixie Beverage Co., has donated money to the cause.

"I'm working on it each and every day. Simple words don't change that. Simple, negative words don't change that," Leventis said.

After the debate, Wilson diplomatically said that both men have been involved.

"I think what both of them are saying is absolutely correct," she said.

Jones saved one of his sharpest attacks for a question about protecting South Carolina's natural resources.

Leventis promoted the Conservation Bank Act he helped pass, a program through which the state purchases easements on property, allowing the owners to continue living there but ensuring the land will not be developed.

"I have been strongly in favor of planning but not state-directed planning," Leventis said.

Jones asserted that in previous sessions Leventis has supported state planning and said he did not believe the government should tell people what to do with their land.

Jones also used this question to slip in a barb on the recent recommendation by the Legislative Delegation to reject the move to new electronic voting machines. The delegation asked the Sumter County Election Commission to stay with the current voting system because of concerns over whether local workers could be fully trained before the Nov. 2 election. The board heeded the recommendation, costing taxpayers $185,000 in federal funding that would have paid for the machines. Leventis, the chairman of the delegation, said there were also concerns about the accuracy of the new machines.Jones said Leventis had essentially said, "We, the smart people in Columbia, will decide for you, the dumb people in Sumter, who can't even use voting machines, how you will use your property."

Jones said he doesn't believe in Columbia telling people how to use property but does support the right-to-farm bill, a bill that would allow the state Department of Health and Environmental Control to set uniform standards for where poultry farms could locate. Leventis countered that he is the one who supports local planning.

On the issue of tort reform, Jones, an attorney, said he supports changes in the laws, saying doctors and businesspeople have cried out for years for help because they live in fear of a ruinous lawsuit.

Leventis scoffed at such a simplistic answer and suggested lawsuits might not be the problem.

"Some physicians I've talked to say it's not a tort problem they have; it's a reimbursement problem they have," Leventis said. The final answer to this thorny problem won't be simple, Leventis said.

Nonsense, Jones replied, saying he couldn't even discern a clear answer in Leventis' reply to the question.

"I'm in favor of tort reform," Jones said.

"I don't pander to you and say 'yes' and let you go home thinking all is well," Leventis said.

The two will next meet at a forum at 6 p.m. Tuesday at the South Hope Center, along with the candidates for mayor of Sumter, sheriff and clerk of court of Sumter County and Sumter County Council District 7.

The next debate at the Nettles Building auditorium on the campus of the University of South Carolina Sumter will be at 7 p.m. Monday, between the mayoral candidates, Mayor Joe McElveen and Whit Whitaker.

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